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Showing posts with label dunning kruger. Show all posts
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Thursday, July 21, 2011
Whistleblowers, governments and lies.
Actually what she says is that the scientists who worked at the company she worked at, sold out for money. To use somebody talking about corruption within the Nuclear power industry is completely irrelevant. This tarring of all scientists with the same brush is an act of subterfuge called poisoning the well. It ignores the fact that anybody who makes claims about a hoax is subject to these same parameters.
The startling fact about this "whistleblower", is that she makes a whole lot of money talking about this freely and openly, yet the evil powers haven't seen fit to silence her! Bunkum.
Again you cite an irrelevant case. The safety aspect of using depleted uranium is thought to be questionable. But long term studies suggest otherwise. Scaremongering is very much a popularity grabber these days!
The first case cited April 15, 1999, the second video in 2011. Do you have an updated release from the Rand corporation given the new studies available to them?
http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P8066.html
Yes. Now all you have to do is to establish any single scientist tied to the Apollo programs who has spoken out about this. There are thousands of retired ones, not needing research grants or money, yet nobody has voiced an alternate opinion to the correct official account. There are millions of physics students throughout the world who offer no objection to the calculus involved in Lunar gravity, space radiation or radio transmissions. There are large numbers of engineers in all countries who also do not dispute the efficacy of the Apollo hardware. Orbital mechanics which is a very complex subject supports all aspects of the Apollo program.
To suggest they are all keeping quiet implies that they are all aware of a hoax and simply doing so to maintain funding and to stay alive. Bunkum.
Meh.
An example where half assed research is presented as fact with no proper peer review. It is difficult to change anything when it is steeped in thousands of such peer-reviewed documents. Let alone by somebody who offers no counter to any of these documents, yet offers "Anti-Darwinian" theories based on suspect research and conclusions.
No, it means that if somebody presents crap unsubstantiated research to people who have previously performed superb research, it will be met with scorn.
Attributing this to finite science like geology has so many logical fallacies I don't know how to label it. How about just plain stupid. I did a full debunk on rock analysis by numerous institutions. The conclusions are nothing to do with keeping a hoax going, and it unintentionally adds a vast number of people to those who are "keeping the secret"! Geologists have no affinity to government or for that matter NASA. As stated previously, there are numerous now retired people who have examined the rocks.
No deathbed confessions, lawyer letters, whistleblowing tapes or leaked documents. Bunkum.
Watergate and Monicagate to name just two. The modern press is littered with conspiracy stories, often with total scorn, but not always. The idea that somebody coming forward to blow the whistle on Apollo would be ignored is a ludicrous statement. It would make a story that would go viral in seconds.
Link 1:-
Somebody does a cartoon about news restriction. Amazing proof.
Link 2:-
More Noam Chomsky and his freely expressed opinions. Still very much alive!
Link 3:-
More people alive and well, freely talking about restrictions in reporting on intelligence services and the CIA level of control. You'd think the evil people they were exposing would have bumped them off wouldn't you?!
Link 4:-
General search on one of the people in link 3 - William Schaap. He is still freely talking, giving his opinion and not being bumped off.
Link 5:-
More Chomsky. Zzzzzz. Same thing, freely expressing his opinion, and still alive. I'm seeing a pattern here.
Link 6:-
Chomsky, yada yada yada.
Link 7/8/9:-
More "media is controlled by the evil powers", and a headline quote from 1880.
Link 10:-
Laura Knight-Jadczyk article. I shall simply state that this lady also postulates that Comet Elenin is the harbinger of doom.
Link 11:-
This is my favorite! The evil Fox news network exposed. This being the same evil Fox news network that ran a documentary of profound stupidity about a supposed Apollo Moon hoax!!
You just cannot make up this level of contradictory stupidity.
Link 12:-
Same as links 7/8/9. Media whistleblowers, loads of articles from people telling their story, who fascinatingly are all still alive.
Link 1:-
Have to laugh here. The evil Fox news network documentary now telling the "truth"! More bunkum and speculation already discussed, concerning Apollo 1. As for link 2 below, a repeat link.
Link 2:-
Just a complete repeat of the section about deathbed confessions.
http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com/2011/07/deathbed-confessions.html
Link 3:-
People who disbelieve the official 911 story, suggested as being murdered to keep them quiet. Yet, hundreds upon hundreds of far more active campaigners remain alive. People who produce films that reach wide audiences, people who write books, people on youtube who churn out thousands of films.
Major campaigners such as Alex Jones and David Icke, website owners, truth organisations. All still very much alive.
Another wall of spam - wow! It should be taken as read that corruption in government is a given. There are all sorts of behind the scenes activities, subvertive motives and undisclosed operations. It is primarily a matter of establishing and keeping American interest abroad. Some of it sucks badly.
However, your use of it to link to the Apollo Moon landings is a big non-sequitur pile of bovine excrement. Apollo was the most open, detailed, heavily explained series of missions ever performed. There are hundreds of thousands of technical documents, films, photographs, audio and scientific publications.
The presence of this data presents a piece of history that can be analysed to as high a degree as could possibly be made. There is nothing missing from the detail that could be explained by subterfuge. There is no subterfuge that could explain the total detail released. The two go hand in hand.
When any rational person examines the science behind Apollo, there can be no question that the mission detail offers as complete and satisfactory account as any private citizen could require.
Begging the question. They don't. They support it because it wasn't faked.
Scientists around the world know Apollo was not faked. NASA is by no means the only source of data and information from space, and to suggest silence being bought for remaining quiet about a "hoax", involves thousands of complicit scientists, none of which has ever offered whistleblowing testimony upon retirement or deathbed confession.
Yes. No question about it. Human beings are inherently unable to keep secrets.
This is the old "compartmentalising" argument. This completely falls apart under the simple premise, that without direct knowledge, the half million people doing their jobs, would do so to ensure the mission was successful.
The whole scenario about hoaxes is perfectly summed up with this summary from the Clavius website:-
http://www.clavius.org/scale.html
Summary:-
This section of the "wall of spam" highlights two points that massively contradict each other.
We have the premise that scientists and governments lie, "demonstrated" with whistleblowers and articles written and spoken by numerous individuals very much alive.
We then have the premise that nobody would speak out about Apollo because they would fear for their lives!
BUNKUM!
Saturday, July 16, 2011
Some Cosmored "Hoax" Links
I'm tempted to just plaster some links offering standard rebuttal to the whole lot of them!
Actually, more than tempted, here they are:-
http://www.clavius.org/
http://www3.telus.net/summa/moonshot/main.htm
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked
http://science.howstuffworks.com/moon-landing-hoax.htm/printable
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/moonhoax2.html
http://as204.blogspot.com/
http://www.ka9q.net/crackpots/apollohoax.html
http://www.iangoddard.com/moon01.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/howdoweknow.htm
http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/space/apollo.html
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/conspiracytheorydidwegotothemoon.htm
Link 1:
Some quotes from the genius Bill Kaysing:-
"But there's a little problem, you know, the temperature on the moon is 250°F during the lunar day, and a friend of mine put some film in an oven and ran it up to 250 and the film just curled up. If you notice that the Hasselblad camera is worn outside of the astronaut's suit and it is not curled in any way. So that camera would have heated up to the temperature to bake cookies in a very short time, because the Sun on the moon is absolutely relentless, there's no atmosphere to mitigate the heat of the Sun."
Mr Kaysing seems to think the maximum possible Lunar surface temperature compares to an oven! There is no air on the Moon, so no convection. The actual surface temperatures on the Moon were not even close to maximum. The smart guys at NASA decided that landing early Lunar morning was a great idea!
He gives no indications or calculations as to how he decides the camera would bake like a cookie. There is only radiated heat from the Sun, and conductive heat for anything heated by it. Since the camera had very few parts in contact with the film, had extra shielding on it, and spent equal amounts of time in the shade, his contention is complete bunkum.
"No stars on any photographs"
Stars are too faint to be captured without very long exposures. There is also the fact that light pollution from the Lunar day would limit what was possible.
Demonstrated perfectly by this camera progression:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmPFv7S7My4
Debunked by numerous other examples:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTP2VoNr2r4
Photographing stars:-
http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Photograph_the_Stars
"The Van Allen belt would probably have cooked any astronauts who ventured into that area."
Charged particles don't cook things. The Apollo missions took 30 degree trajectories around the edges of the belts. Demonstrated in this video:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuH4rxda3Z4
Explained in great detail on this site:-
http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/apollo11-TLI.htm
And this picture:-
Mr Kaysing doesn't do research, he just makes bare assertions and backs it up with anonymous witness accounts.
"The Russians discovered that the radiation on the moon would require astronauts to be clothed in four feet of lead to avoid being killed."
No they didn't. Kaysing offers just his opinion on this, as though it closes the case! The Russians had their own Lunar landing program, they knew the Lunar surface was manageable with the right shielding and spacesuits.
"The Russians never intended to land men on the moon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_(rocket)
"Apollo 13 was totally faked. It never left the earth."
Weather patterns match with photography and video footage taken during Lunar coast:-
http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=3132&page=2#90134
The Apollo 13 launch, that "never left Earth"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta6q6-52a3c
"Shadows diverged. In other words, if you have a point source of light, like the Sun, and you can see this anytime outdoors, all shadows will parallel - telephone poles, trees, you name it - all the shadows will be parallel. "
Multiple light sources create multiple shadows.
Debunked in 30 seconds:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATrFuCnW6T8
"Did the Challenger blow up? Did NASA know it would blow up?
Yeah, and you know why it blew up? Because Christa McAuliffe, the only civilian and only woman aboard, refused to go along with the lie that you couldn't see stars in space. So they blew her up, along with six other people, to keep that lie under wraps. I claim that Christa McAuliffe was murdered."
Yeah, and you know why it blew up? Because Christa McAuliffe, the only civilian and only woman aboard, refused to go along with the lie that you couldn't see stars in space. So they blew her up, along with six other people, to keep that lie under wraps. I claim that Christa McAuliffe was murdered."
Bunkum. So stupid it is hardly worth debunking. Even now ISS astronauts talk about the stars. The idea that NASA blew up a shuttle because of one person who was going to reveal this stunningly obvious non secret, is ludicrous.
"Oh, yeah. One of my friends went to the Smithsonian and he measured the exit door of the lunar lander and found out that astronauts wearing their life-support systems could not have gone out that door, they were too big. "
Now a bit of fun with Mr Kaysing and getting his story straight:-
http://www3.telus.net/summa/moonshot/random.htm
That's His Story Part 2
According to Bill Kaysing, the Apollo astronauts never left the earth.
"The Apollo 11 vehicle, or Saturn 5, was sent out of people's sight, and then it was jettisoned into the South Atlantic, where all of the six [sic] that were launched now reside. There were no astronauts, of course, on board." (Nardwuar interview)
"The Apollo 11 vehicle, or Saturn 5, was sent out of people's sight, and then it was jettisoned into the South Atlantic, where all of the six [sic] that were launched now reside. There were no astronauts, of course, on board." (Nardwuar interview)
According to Bill Kaysing, the Apollo astronauts did leave the earth.
For the Conspiracy Theory show, he says he believes the astronauts lifted into orbit, waited several days, then splashed down in the ocean "as shown on film."
For the Conspiracy Theory show, he says he believes the astronauts lifted into orbit, waited several days, then splashed down in the ocean "as shown on film."
According to Bill Kaysing, the Apollo astronauts might have gone to the moon.
"[A] trio of men supposedly made the quarter million mile journey between earth and its satellite. Now whether this journey was made or not, a great many people witness the failure of their leaders...." (We Never Went to the Moon, 2002, p. 70)
"[A] trio of men supposedly made the quarter million mile journey between earth and its satellite. Now whether this journey was made or not, a great many people witness the failure of their leaders...." (We Never Went to the Moon, 2002, p. 70)
Link 2:
First video shows the mockumentary about Kubrick directing the landings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_(mockumentary)
That documentary has been suckering in gullible HBs since it was first released. I question anybody's power of discernment when that appears in prime position on their website!
Loads of WHOTM and AFTHOTWTTM. Nothing not covered in those two films, to be addressed in the direct film analysis.
Link 3:
Link doesn't work.
Link 4:
Interview with Bart Sibrel. The liar.
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Bart%20Sibrel.htm
This video demonstrates that Bart Sibrel is very much wrong in his idiotic contentions about the "secret Apollo 11 film"!!:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T9ZM50n0z4
This video demonstrates that weather patterns match with on board photography and transmitted video, on the Apollo 11 trans lunar coast:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OnZwqc-96Y
Simple but effective video, showing the Earth rotating during a 10 minute video sequence shot during Apollo 11 Lunar coast:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMe4kBklHhA
Link 5:
Link doesn't work, why am I not surprised at the presence of long defunct links present in your numerously repeated wall of spam from years gone by!
Link 6:
Aulis - the David Percy team, plus Jack "what is photogrammetry?" White!
How poignant, as he presents one inept contention after another. If I get the time and inclination, I may do a complete point by point rebuttal.
Here is one already done:-
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5911
Link 7 and 8:
The same blog in both links. Nothing new, all covered in the list of links I presented above.
Link 9:
Cosmic apollo. Totally debunked here:-
http://www.clavius.org/bibdave32.html
I look at that sight and am appalled at the ignorance shown by the website owner. He actually contradicts himself by claiming we never landed on the Moon, and covering up alien bases we discovered when we landed on the Moon. Bunkum.
Link 10:
Another duff link. Clearly your spam and paste needs a review!
Link 11:
Yeah, needs a review, yet another duff link.
Link 12:
They discussed this at BAUT and ripped it to shreds:-
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/94568-McGowan-s-quot-Wagging-the-Moondoggie-quot
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